Curse

Str0b0 · Dec 03, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

We can use paypall. That's helpfull how?

Paypal offers pre-paid master cards. Once again your argument that you couldn't get one of those in the Netherlands is refuted. And yet you make the same point over and over and over again despite people having shown you on multiple occasions that you could have gotten one.

Now to address Haijiibirdhead. I don't think anyone is necessarily delighting in other people's regret at not purchasing the BMP, well maybe some people are, but I think the point is a lot of these people experiencing regret at not getting the BMP when it was offered are now expecting Arena Net to make allowances for their regret. I think that is unreasonable. Yes you can regret not purchasing it but to say to Areana Net that they should offer it again just because you regret not buying it when you had the opportunity is just foolish.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

well due to the other idea in sardelac(Petition for the content to be free.NO WEAPONS!)
i really think alot of people are undeserving of it - if people wanted the content which BMP was ment to be - people would of signed it.
seriously.

zerulus · Dec 03, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

My main objection for allowing it to be bought or gotten in some way after the promotion is that I didn't have the option to see it beforehand to decide whether it was worth the trouble getting. I did not want my account linked to playNc and would have bought GWEN from a local store had it not been for the promotion. They offered game content, which from what was posted on their website appeared to be only available through this promotion. If I had known that we could get it again after it was released (so that I could read what others posted about it, see screenshots etc.), I would have waited before using the online store, which I was hesitant to do. I'm sorry if you didn't get the bmp and wish you had for whatever reason, but expecting them to offer it again now seems highly unreasonable to me. If you didn't have the money, that sucks. However, limited time offers generally don't wait for people to acquiring the funds.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

im fine with them offering it again.
but if people QQ after that - theyre just stupid and dont understand actions have consiquences

lakatz · Dec 03, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Yes Loviatar, you are correct in all that you have said, there's no dispute there, but you fail to see when the promotion is over, these missions that is a bonus to the loyal fans of Guild Wars won't be bonus mission pack anymore, they will also not be free anymore, because they will have become a regular mission pack, for sale or not, is up to Arena Net. and it will be good to see Arena Net selling them...

The promotion IS over. It was from early July until October 31. The promotion (promoting sales in the ingame/online store) was that one could qualify for the BMP if they purchased 30USD worth of product in the ingame or online store during a limited time period. The promotion ended October 31. It will always be the bonus mission pack, and it will always be available to those who took advantage of the promotion.

From the BMP FAQ on the GW site:

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Will the missions expire?

The missions, once added to your account, remain available for you to play as often as you desire.

But I'm sure someone has already explained that to you by now. Your post was two pages ago.

arsie · Dec 03, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Anet seems to listen to customer complaints though.

We were unhappy with the weapons in GW:EN, and they must have realised their marketing mistake and paid us back with great BMP weapons.

We complain that there is nothing on the online store worth buying and not everyone has a CC, and they add in the skill packs and merchandise.

Quite frankly, I think Anet need a more robust marketing team, because those two situations should not have occurred. Business is always Finance, Marketing, and Design pulling the company in different directions.

While I can understand the part about reskinned weapons, the online store bit is a clear oversight. But at least they try to make amends.

The problem is, people miss out on both results of listening to the customers, because they missed the BMP offer. So what if it has great weapons and there are stuff NOW in the online store? I bet the online store will accept Paypal or someother within the month or so as well. Perhaps a little too late.

VanDamselx · Dec 03, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

- A Studio makes a movie, yet shows no previews or trailers of the actual content, and only releases a worded summary of a bit of the movie. and THEN price the movie at five times what it would usually be worth, but they say you can get it free if you watch four other movies made by them.

Now if you were going to watch those four movies REGARDLESS aka before the offer came along, then yay ..good for you , its win win. But If you werent, its not an unreasonable position to think that the person would pass on it.

Yet it later turns out that the movie was the greatest thing man ever put onto film.

SO the people who passes on the offer , ask if they can still see the movie, EVEN AT the price the Studio put for it.

But the Studio , refuse and say that no, it's too late and you cant, and it's not coming out on DVD. (Anet said theres no plans to rerelease the BMP)

Now the ppl who got refused..some may be bothered by that, others may not be. I however think that those the DID see the film to tell them to pretty much "Shut up and deal with it , Lifes not fair" Is a pretty darn rude and unfair thing to say. Hence my entire objection in this topic.

I disagree with this for one large reason. Many of us were not going to buy anything from the online store until we heard about the BMP and many others went out of their way to buy something from the online store.

I totally agree with Loviatar. Just look at max gladius' signature. Gaile says something along the lines of rare weapons not being more powerful, but something about looks instead. She then proceeds to say, "Isn't that what end game weapons are for anyway?" I'm pretty sure that was a jab at saying that end game weapons are not exactly great looking. If they did say, "AWESOME WEAPON SKINS ARE AVAILABLE FOR REWARDS!" Everyone would be skeptical, and it would leave you with no more information than "unique rewards will be offered at the end of each mission." Awesome could mean starter sword re-skin. I'm sorry you missed out on the opportunity but I had just as much information as you, and I decided to get GW:EN in the online store just so I could get the BMP. I had no clue the weapons would be great looking and customized and the missions totally fun. I'm glad I took that chance.

Zahr Dalsk · Dec 03, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Personally I never cared about the missions. The part that I see now that they never told us about was an unlimited supply to gold max q9 weapons, with nice skins too. I would have by all means bought it if I knew about those. So that is why I am irritated, that they never told us about the only useful part of the pack.

maraxusofk · Dec 03, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

tldr but just wondering if anybody ever thought of using those pre-paid visa cards? u dont have to pay an exboritant interest and u can only use it for this purchase. i refuse to believe that there isnt a single Euro who plays this game and didnt think of this.

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Originally Posted by netniwk

I rather have them not customized,and dependable on the prices given by the BMP players,then not being able to get them at all.

im pretty sure if this happened, alot of ppl who then complain that those who have the pack can charge too much for the items, aka the asian minipet argument although on a cheaper scale.

gone · Dec 03, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Personally I never cared about the missions. The part that I see now that they never told us about was an unlimited supply to gold max q9 weapons, with nice skins too. I would have by all means bought it if I knew about those. So that is why I am irritated, that they never told us about the only useful part of the pack.

Pure, unadulterated honesty. Win.

only thing is, those weaps are customized, but it's not that big of a deal.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Personally I never cared about the missions. The part that I see now that they never told us about was an unlimited supply to gold max q9 weapons, with nice skins too. I would have by all means bought it if I knew about those. So that is why I am irritated, that they never told us about the only useful part of the pack.

"Special Reward"
what didnt you get about that?

Loviatar · Dec 03, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Personally I never cared about the missions. The part that I see now that they never told us about was an unlimited supply to gold max q9 weapons, with nice skins too. I would have by all means bought it if I knew about those. So that is why I am irritated, that they never told us about the only useful part of the pack.

and that is precisely the reason they did not tell you it was a jackpot weapons pack.

they were doing a store promotion not a weapons pack promotion.

the money is chump change to NCsoft but they need to get data for hard store use in GW2

maraxusofk · Dec 03, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Clone

Indeed. Which is why I said offer it as a separate addon. In other words, sell it to people who missed out on getting it for free. Sorry if I didn't make that clearer before.

oh man, lets sell the CE upgrades to those who missed out too! oh and second thought, lets sell gold at $400/ounce b/c ppl missed out when it was cheap, vs the current price of ~800/ounce.

WTB Time machine k thx.

Mineria · Dec 03, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Mork from Ork

I don't care about not getting the BMP - don't even care about the great new weapons

except......

Now I am very upset they put crap armor and weapons in EotN that we paid for.

If you are going to put great skins in the free promotion at least put some effort into the part people actually paid for.

People payed more straight into Anet's pocket to qualify for the BMP by buying ingame stuff online, then people who bought GW:EN at a local retailer.
I know a lot of people in game that love the EotN skins on both armors and weapons.
Even the blue craft-able weapons. Yes, I just said blue without sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Personally I never cared about the missions. The part that I see now that they never told us about was an unlimited supply to gold max q9 weapons, with nice skins too. I would have by all means bought it if I knew about those. So that is why I am irritated, that they never told us about the only useful part of the pack.

So your upset over that those who got the bmp, got it because they cared for the adventure and storyline in GW.
Since they didn't know that those weapons where included either.
Sad that you find the skins the only useful part of the pack.
Its actually insulting Anet's team by saying so.

maraxusofk · Dec 03, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

Say a rich man offers the average joe one thousand and fifty dollars, but in exchange , he has to travel across the country to recieve it, and exchange it for a thousand bucks of his own. Now some ppl, IF theyre headed to that point in the country anyway...would be more than happy to take up the Rich man's offer and kudos to them, but for others, It simply wouldn't seem worth it at the time.

Now lets say that on arrival, the Rich man decides to change his offer from one thousand and fifty dollars to TEN THOUSAND dollars. Then the ppl who took him up on his offer would be pretty ecsatic. But when those who didnt take him up on his offer HEAR about this, and ask if they can be included too, the Rich man tell them that it's too late. Too late.

Now I'm the kinda person who would normally just shrug it off and say "meh at least I'm no poorer"

But what RIGHT do those who took the rich man up on his offer and got their $10,000 , have to talk DOWN to those that didnt in a pretty rude manner? It is because of those people , who in my opinion are bang out of order, that I felt that I needed to make my voice heard on this issue.

See tahts an unfair statement simply because u say its simply convient. if anet did not offer the BMP, i would NEVER buy it online because buying it thru the store gave me access to the box. therefore, it wasnt convenient. in ur story, u are basically stating that everyone was going to buy what they wanted online because that was waht they wanted to do in the first place, regardless of the BMP.

also, i didnt really even care about the rewards when i decided to get the BMP. all i needed to know was that i get to play as gwen and i signed up. the weapons were merely a bonus, a nice bonus at that, but a bonus nevertheless. stop generalizing and saying that this is ONLY about the weapons.

azizul1975 · Dec 03, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

if the BMP would be able to be purchased now, it's no longer BMP.... it will be EMP --> Extra Mission Pack.

Mineria · Dec 03, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

Others simply couldnt buy online.

That is the only thing I can agree with you upon.
But then the BMP key would have a price around 20-25$ at a local gameshop.
Question is how many would have been willing to pay that?

Let me remind you, that a regular campaign release costs way less then a Collectors Edition Release.
Maybe Anet should just have made GW:EN collectors edition which included the BMP, but the whiners would then have whined anyway.

lakatz · Dec 03, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

See tahts an unfair statement simply because u say its simply convient. if anet did not offer the BMP, i would NEVER buy it online because buying it thru the store gave me access to the box. therefore, it wasnt convenient. in ur story, u are basically stating that everyone was going to buy what they wanted online because that was waht they wanted to do in the first place, regardless of the BMP.

also, i didnt really even care about the rewards when i decided to get the BMP. all i needed to know was that i get to play as gwen and i signed up. the weapons were merely a bonus, a nice bonus at that, but a bonus nevertheless. stop generalizing and saying that this is ONLY about the weapons.

You know, NCSoft is simply moving ahead with the natural flow of technological evolution. Might as well get used to digital delivery. In the not too distant future, EVERYthing that can be delivered digitally will be... books, games, tv content, films, etc etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Personally I never cared about the missions. The part that I see now that they never told us about was an unlimited supply to gold max q9 weapons, with nice skins too. I would have by all means bought it if I knew about those. So that is why I am irritated, that they never told us about the only useful part of the pack.

So... you don't like surprises, and you made your choice accordingly (assuming you did your research BEFORE making your decision to NOT avail yourself of the promotion). Why blame ANet for your decision?

From the BMP FAQ page that was published in July.

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What items are rewarded for the missions obtained through the Bonus Mission Pack?

We are not going to release that information because we would like to surprise players with the rewards.

http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ionpackfaq.php

I, for one, am delighted they decided to surprise us.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 03, 2007, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Unreasonable? What do you know of that?

I'll tell you what's unreasonable, expecting people to buy useless items from the store to get a mission pack when it was not made clear what the rewards would be. Try reading some of my points before you people jump the gun as I have been very clear on all of them.

For starters if you had listened, you would know that

I never said that Arenanet should re release the offer for me, at least not in the same way, because even if it was released again now, I would not spend $30 of uselessness for it. Corporate manipulation is ftl. What I said was that I am giving my reasons as to why I did not purchase EotN prematurely, but isnt HINDSIGHT a marvelous thing. I did not know then what I know now due to Anet wanting it to be such a big secret. Whatever. I am not going to lose sleep over not having these weapons for my heroes, but you have no right to belittle those who do have real regret. Especially when the TOPIC is asking WHY people regret it.

A regret which is not up for debate. I repeat.

Can you people understand that? That trying to stamp out someones opinions or feelings after it was ASKED for by the damn topic TITLE is absurd?

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Now to address Haijiibirdhead. I don't think anyone is necessarily delighting in other people's regret at not purchasing the BMP, well maybe some people are, but I think the point is a lot of these people experiencing regret at not getting the BMP when it was offered are now expecting Arena Net to make allowances for their regret.

No , but perhaps they should make allowances for bad PR, too vague indications of the rewards, leading to insufficient knowledge of the investment vs reward for many of their customers to make a decision, and for those who spend their money in retail shops.

Go on, can you give me one good reason why people who spent $30 or more in retail stores on GW shouldnt of gotten the BMP?

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I think that is unreasonable. Yes you can regret not purchasing it but to say to Areana Net that they should offer it again just because you regret not buying it when you had the opportunity is just foolish

Don't call people's regret foolish when the topic title is asking them to express said regret. It makes you look incredibly dictatorial.

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What items are rewarded for the missions obtained through the Bonus Mission Pack?

We are not going to release that information because we would like to surprise players with the rewards.

http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ionpackfaq.php

I, for one, am delighted they decided to surprise us.

Ok but I for one am not. But that is just my opinion. People have done absolutely nothing wrong in not making what is essentially a blind purchase and a gamble (I'm not talking about ppl who were buying GWEN anyway from their store) But for those that couldnt/wouldnt for whatever reason. You are basically jumping down the throat of people for not spending $30 on junk to get the BMP. Why? That is not reasonable behaviour imo. If people express regret about not getting it with hindsight then fine , thats their business. Doesnt mean their wrong in any way.

You may tell them not to have or express such feelings (which is essentially what people here are doing, despite the topic title), but one question. Who do you think you are?

Snow Bunny · Dec 03, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

Unreasonable? What do you know of that?

I'll tell you what's unreasonable, expecting people to buy useless items from the store to get a mission pack when it was not made clear what the rewards would be. Try reading some of my points before you people jump the gun as I have been very clear on all of them.

For starters if you had listened, you would know that

I never said that Arenanet should re release the offer for me, at least not in the same way, because even if it was released again now, I would not spend $30 of uselessness for it. Corporate manipulation is ftl. What I said was that I am giving my reasons as to why I did not purchase EotN prematurely, but isnt HINDSIGHT a marvelous thing. I did not know then what I know now due to Anet wanting it to be such a big secret. Whatever. I am not going to lose sleep over not having these weapons for my heroes, but you have no right to belittle those who do have real regret. Especially when the TOPIC is asking WHY people regret it.

A regret which is not up for debate. I repeat.

Can you people understand that? That trying to stamp out someones opinions or feelings after it was ASKED for by the damn topic TITLE is absurd?

No , but perhaps they should make allowances for bad PR, too vague indications of the rewards, leading to insufficient knowledge of the investment vs reward for many of their customers to make a decision, and for those who spend their money in retail shops.

Go on, can you give me one good reason why people who spent $30 or more in retail stores on GW shouldnt of gotten the BMP?

Don't call people's regret foolish when the topic title is asking them to express said regret. It makes you look incredibly dictatorial.

Your examples aren't very good.

It was something free that they offered.

It's a reward for indulging them a little.

And yes, I can explain why people who spent $30+ in retail stores shouldn't get it.

Because ANet made the offer for online store participants through a select period to get more money in their pockets directly and reward those who participated in it.